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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 19, 2010 5:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The "sharing" component...

Gmarks' comment below about not having anyone to share with (the music) and how dicussing it here is in essence "replacement" for that activity got me thinking about how important it's been for me...you all (I assume) know how much such things matter to me (ie, the "need" to convince one and all of the importance of 12-29-68 and 10-12-68, and so on).

Some of you have even experienced the excessive zeal in the form of being virtually "forced" to receive the latest CREAM (think of it as mere replacement for DEAD of a few months back; same yr anyhow, right?).

I've realized that for me part of the burnout I've experienced of late is that this was a big part of what I've been doing here the last few yrs. Obtaining (more) shows, sorting them, organizing them, categorizing them, and then most important of all, INSISTING that others come to recognize the beauty of them...now, as I've often discussed, I am still in touch with the 20 or so diehards that experienced the DEAD with me in the 70s, and with family as well that enjoyed them to varying degrees. But of course, they can only tolerate so much 68-71 DEAD before politely saying "thanks, but the ten disks you've sent are enough for now".

What I am getting to is that for me, once the saturation pt was reached, it did contribute to a reduction in enjoyment of the entire scene...ie, my own burnout was in a way directly related to the fact that sharing is largely "over"...

So, I am wondering--once you passed along all the shows you can, once someone was half the DPs, half the albums, and so on, you really are on your own other than to come here and chat with the very few that can find something of value in one night of 69 relative to the next.

Not that I am predicting your own personal extinction along these lines, but curious if many of you have had the same "sharing reduction/burnout" issue with friends and such...an explosion given the digital age, and eventual saturation leaving you with...with...moving on to other bands, basket-weaving, and digital photography? Perhaps film making like our budding Director, Producer, and Film Editor, CLIFF? Or did you react to it by simply moving on to new friends and relatives to contribute to? Most shocking of all are the likes of Dire that it seems actually found a "life" some worthy soul left laying around, and grabbed it and ran...

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 19, 2010 9:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 'sharing' component...

I'm ditto with the solo-ers - this place is pretty much it. My oldest & best friend is a fan, but after 35 years there is only so much to be said about the GD and/or Bob Dylan, so we mostly talk about jazz and other music when we talk about music.

Before I moved last spring, I used to carpool for the last 4-5 years with a friend/co-worker who is an avid student of all things musical, including the GD, and I have to say that I miss that daily sharing of music with a real, live person

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Oct 19, 2010 11:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 'sharing' component...

Although I don't post that much, I love many of the threads here. I guess after Garcia's death I listened so much that I think I burned out on them. Then I got married and lost contact with I guy I traded with from Alabama (he always had great sbd's.) My kids cam and then in 07-08, I found this. It has reawakened me to the GD plus I worl with a buddy who is an avid head and it has rekindled a love and aprreciation for the dead. I bought a storage unit and away I went. I share now with my buddy at work and my high school friend in Philly, but mostly it is just for me. My wife likes but not obsesses and my kids like them now, they groove with dinner and such. So thanks to the lia and Charlie Miller, my gd is back on and on some levels worse then when the band was intact. Anyone catching the Black Crowes Sat nite in beantown see you then.......

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 19, 2010 12:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 'sharing' component...

I wasn't even thinking about that part of it, but I guess like a lot of us I have been in and out over the years. I was disillusioned after seeing my final couple of shows in 89 and stayed away after that, also spent a lot of time listening to a lot of other music along with my GD, but still always kept up with the Dick's Picks and other releases, and saw the JGB whenever possible.

When Jerry died, it lit a fire that had me listening to only him for about six months, than another burnout until whenever I discovered this place, maybe 3-4 years ago (and I have no idea how accurate that 3-4 years is; I am unstuck in time).

The ipod has drastically changed my listening habits, though: maybe only once a week I listen to a show all the way through. Usually I just have the thing on random and it all gets mixed up together - about 50% Dead & Jerry, 25% Dylan and 25% various (and I do mean various!).

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Oct 19, 2010 2:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 'sharing' component...

WT - I've been thinking about your post most of the day, and watching the responses trickle in. Great post. Our community is amazing. Thanks to all for sharing...

Like most everyone here, I've been in and out on the GD. Unlike many here though, I never knew about the taping community, and lost track of my college friend, so I had no one to discuss the band with. Luckily, I got my brother hooked back in the 70s, but he doesn't have the passion that I find here.

I could never just let the iPod play randomly like Fenario, but the iPod did change my listening habits. I discovered a few podcasts on iTunes, which are cool. I listen to Shakedown Stream (JerBear on WMVY Radio) - he will give you a complete show every week, and I listen to Dead air with Uncle John (WESU). These guys may not be as expert as LiA for example, but I've learned and enjoyed a lot, and they don't discriminate on eras, much as I might prefer they did. Listening to a podcast (with noise-deadening phones) is a great way to pass the commute on the subway, and I hear a great variety, some stuff I've never heard. I've been listening to the Dead now every day for over two years. My dear wife just puts up with it all - the extra book marks and scrolling through it all on iTunes.

Now I've picked up the guitar again (after 25 years, and I was never that good to begin with) and slowly learning to play some of this great music. I'm interested to know how many out there play and sing this music. I can't learn it fast enough, my hands won't keep up with my need to play it.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 19, 2010 4:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 'sharing' component...

I don't play , as more hack my guitar . My voice peels paint .
But I try .
When no one's home .
Now that it is a family rule .
They just don't appreciate my art .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 19, 2010 6:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 'sharing' component...

Hey UJ--as micah above notes, there are a good number that give it a try...I don't think there are many that are "real" musical sorts (ie, band members, former band members). From the many threads that have touched on it, I've gathered that a significant number can strum a guitar around a beach fire with the right group of folks, like you, it sounds like.

I am one of the few Forumites that is absolutely tonedeaf...I can't even hum a tune. Strangely, I can still sing falsetto harmonies if someone else in the car carries the tune (discovered this strange ability with the DEAD cover band I worked for--roadie only--after doing so when drinking, etc....the band members were impressed, but could never do it under pressure, and I have a low, booming speaking voice normally, so go figure). Some of my fondest memories the past forty years are singing tunes off AmBea/Work/Dylan with a car load of people after some serious inhibition reduction exercises, if you take my meaning...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 20, 2010 4:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 'sharing' component...

I am about to move my parents' piano (actually, it's technically mine, though it's been in their house for 40 years) to my own house and it has crossed my mind to see if I can find Dead sheet music for piano. Does it exist, anyone know? I dutifully took lessons for about a century when I was little, but I pretty much stink.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Oct 20, 2010 5:49am
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Seems like the earlier versions of the songbooks had piano included, but the new ones don't.
There is still this:

http://www.amazon.com/Grateful-Dead-Vol-Authentic-Guitar-Tab/dp/0769207391/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&;ie=UTF8&qid=1287578749&sr=1-6

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 19, 2010 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 'sharing' component...

I think sharing is important. Fortunately for me I have some people to share with; including my kids, harsh critics though they may be.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 19, 2010 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 'sharing' component...

Hey J--hope things are going well as can be expected...seems we haven't crossed paths for a few wks here, but thinking of you and the kids. Keep a good thought for each and everyone of the four, each and every day, and twice on the days you hang out together. I bet they'll even thank you for a some of the 1970 acoustic tunes they've been hearing once they're a bit older. Mine do.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 19, 2010 12:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 'sharing' component...

Thanks Will, I've been sort of busy and laying a little low. Thanks for the good thoughts. So far things are going real well and the kids are fine. Probably be signing papers in a few weeks.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 19, 2010 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 'sharing' component...

All my children now revolt when I put the GD on the stereo system . " Put your headphones on Dad ." My oldest did his work well .

jg , is your (sail?) boat out of the water ?

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 19, 2010 12:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 'sharing' component...

The boats stay in all winter, never know when you might need to go for a sail!! I usually do a short haul to clean and paint every two years (boating on a budget).

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Oct 19, 2010 7:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 'sharing' component...

Oddly, other than coming by here, the Dead has largely become a solitary hobby for me. Most of my old crowd from the days of hitting shows and trading tapes has either moved on to other interests or only maintains sporadic contact. Like you, I have other friends that more casually appreciate the band, and they've made it clear that they have all the GD they'll ever want or need (plus, the plethora of official live releases has really taken the cache away from handing someone that bootleg copy of, say, 5/2/70). I think this came up in another thread, but a buddy of mine observed not to long ago that I was the only one he knew "still doing the Grateful Dead thing", and even I don't spend the time on it I once did.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 19, 2010 8:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 'sharing' component...

Pretty much the same thing here. I do still have a few "hardcore" friends that I regularly share music with, but the majority of the old gang o' mine have also moved on. The same thing almost happened to me as I found myself listening less and less, even getting to the point of giving my entire tape collection away to some wandering Head at a garage sale. I think this was in a large part due to my loss of listening friends. Such a large part of what drew me to the band, and kept me involved, was the sense of community. When my friends began drifting from the music and no longer wanted to get into deep discussion about the evolution of Fire over the years, I found my own ties to the music beginning to fade. But then through the miracle of Al Gore's "world wide web" I found this motley crew and the pletohra of music and discussions about it. Very quickly I found myself re-immersed in the music and community that had played such a large part of my younger days.

My wife wasn't so thrilled, but she's learned to adapt.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2010-10-19 15:23:30

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 19, 2010 9:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 'sharing' component...

Bingo. I gave away most of my tapes at a show in '92 (i didn't really have that many) and pretty much stopped listening by '95. Fast forward to 2005 and being introduced to this place completely re-lit the fire. Even more so than before, however the only folks you can share that level of passion with are those who have it themselves so that means this place. Seriously we can be worse than televangelists when it comes to preaching to those not "enlightened." So I don't really bother. I fine with hanging out here and for the most part listening on my own. Almost all of my sharing has been with people i have met here. Unfortunately i am finding less and less time to send discs through the mail these days. What Charlie Miller has been doing has me thinking there might be a better way.

Where i disagree with WT is that I believe that finding this place hasn't driven me to burnout and search for other music. To the contrary the good people here and this music have enlightened me about other bands like RRE, Yarn, Hot Buttered Rum and the Carolina Chocolate Drops because they all were either influenced by the Grateful Dead or in the case of CCD, influenced by the same kind of music that initially influenced the Dead. Burnout hasn't driven me to other bands, the love of the Grateful Dead has.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 19, 2010 9:50am
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That's probably my biggest "problem": I have such a high threshold level for even "trying" something new (ie, really following up on a lead from someone here I trust about "you should really listen to this WT! It's right up your alley with interests in Phil and JBruce!"...even though I know the poster knows me well enough to be right, I just never take the plunge...always too busy, think it won't actually be to my liking, whatever).

The irony is that this openness to new acoustic experiences that I demand of my friends and relatives (ie, YOU MUST listen to the CREAM I am sending to you!) is entirely absent in me...hence, the burnout factor due to overindulgence with a lesser range of bands to obsess over.

So glad to hear of everyone else's "success" in avoiding such K LAM ah tees; my experience is no doubt singular, or at least we just don't see the posters that have experienced it because unlike me they had the good grace to stop posting...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 19, 2010 10:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 'sharing' component...

After Garcia's death I really didn't catch a big wave of GDness to '05 or so . The usual suspects ; career , children , and disinterest mark the ten year gap . I made a few remarks about " still doing the GD thing " myself during that time to others .
The mojo returned . I found this place and went nuts , like the squirrel in Ice Age , listening to shows . And then , after a while , I found this place .
I am very happy to have this home and the like minded GD freaks here . We are a such a small niche and it's good to have so many to help keep the fire burning . Most people I meet and are in my life think we are insane to perseverate so .
( As a side thought , in the future we ought to have our own retirement homes . Boy , we would need special screening for the staff that worked there !)
I like coming here for the learning , sharing and community . I agree that burnout happens , but that is to be expected with something finite , no matter how large the experience is . I am burnout mode now but I listened to the DS>MD ( 10-18-74 ) and some '66 yesterday . I never would have done that in burn out mode before I was on the forum .
It's not just the music here , but the silly / mind blowing / cool /ect. media that people share , that chances are I would have never seen . And then the community of written 'voices' that becomes familiar . I am not sure what type of relationships these are that are formed here . But they are real . I just can't figure out the contours yet .

And el , we aren't worse then televangelists , by far .

SDH - my wife has returned to full hippie mode . ( No patchouli allowed in the house ! ) The children and I are concerned . There is a gaggle of her friends too . So I got a little sign , " Hippies Must Use Back Door " . ;-)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 19, 2010 6:39pm
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"( As a side thought , in the future we ought to have our own retirement homes . Boy , we would need special screening for the staff that worked there !)"

This is very funny, I have had this exact thought! We are seriously freaks here. I am spending a lot of time visiting my dad in the nursing home, as you know, and I find myself thinking, Well by the time I need one of these places, surely they'll have internet? Um, how am I going to listen to the Grateful Dead when I'm in the nursing home? ... and slowly a scheme forms ... I'm not the only one ... but you are so right we will have to vet the staff very carefully.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 19, 2010 6:47pm
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Is there DEAD bingo?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 19, 2010 6:56pm
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I don't know, but I know these places are going to have to upgrade pretty soon. The next generation to hit the nursing homes is going to require that our addiction to electronic gizmos be accommodated. The old folks now can watch television, that's about all they can do in there. The "recreation director" means well but she tries to get my dad to do things like, leaf pressing and finger painting. I'm sorry but when it's my turn I'm going to need the Grateful Dead. Loud Grateful Dead.
Sorry to rant.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 19, 2010 6:53pm
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I wonder if we would self segregate based on era ? Maybe it would be on the intake form to avoid listening conflicts .
"So Mr. S. tell us , what are your fav shows ?"

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 19, 2010 7:20pm
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Sure, with cute names for the different areas. The home my dad is in has a dementia wing called "Memory Lane," we can have Shakedown Street and Minglewood and Truckin' to Buffalo and ... clearly early-era purists will have to be segregated from Nineties Deadheads et al.
Cliff will need a private wing :)
sorry, Cliff, just teasing!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 19, 2010 10:23pm
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Great idea: Deadhead retirement homes. Or even just wings. I can put up with 90s fans or 60s-Only folks. I just want to make sure I'm kept away from those Foreigner fans, or the rappers who will join us eventually. If there are too many of them, I say we should all get together and make a little settlement outside. Even yurts or teepees. Using our canes as the poles. Kind of drafty, but better for our fragile health than a steady diet of rap and Foreigner.

Sorry about your dad and what you're dealing with there, Ringo. And I sure do hope the nursing/retirement homes for our generation/s aren't as grim and spiritless and as much like, well, waiting rooms for the inevitable. I've had some relatives and family friends in places that were kind of OK, but still ... where were the Betty Grable posters? The cool old radios in the hallway, say, that would play, say, the Lone Ranger or Glenn Miller if you pressed the buttons? The 1930s movie nights? Wouldn't that be so much nicer than a hall labeled "Memory Lane"?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 19, 2010 11:06pm
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Turn TCM on at least , Lord .
This may sound a little silly now , but a dhead 'retirement ' community may not be so silly in 10-15 years .

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 19, 2010 11:20pm
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Yeah, really. I made a joking prediction in the late 80s about the day when Beatles music would be used to sell cars. Hmmm.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 19, 2010 11:25pm
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I just want a quiet place where I can lay my head , and a friend or two at hand ...

( Could be the first foray into marketing <--)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 20, 2010 4:37am
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We could be onto something here, guys ...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 19, 2010 11:26am
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Lucky you. My time with the boys at home is still pretty much "underground". My commute to and from work is my time to really blast shows. Now my wife and I do have many artists we both love, just not the hairy fat man.

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Oct 20, 2010 9:24pm
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They may be worried but I think they all like Mom the Hippie! And I promise, no patchouli...though I do still like the smell ;)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 19, 2010 11:07am
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I wasn't making a moral judgement, i was referring to the zeal that we can display regarding this band and how it must seem to the uninitiated at times. Cliffs cartoon does a wonderful job making fun of this.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 19, 2010 11:24am
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el , I bring the comment in jest . It's O.K. man . Breathe .
It is hard to discern comments sometimes though . Thanks for making sure .:-)

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Poster: drspark61 Date: Oct 19, 2010 8:52am
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For years, listening to the Dead was mostly something I did on long runs. This goes back to 1982 and a Panasonic Walkman-type tape player I owned. Within the last decade, however, not only had I lost my circle of Dead-friendly acquaintances (both online and IRL), but age and injuries had nearly finished my running career. The addition of a couple of young kids to the family also meant that the communal stereo got blasted a lot less. The Dead were dead as far as my listening habits were concerned. Then I got a mp3 player, discovered this website and took up BitTorrent with a vengeances. Now I'm filling up hard drives faster than I can acquire them. I'll be listening to shows while I rake leaves this weekend. :-)

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